On 9 May 2019, at 10:31, Jeff Ogden wrote: What model of IBM 370 computer was used at Human Genetics to run MTS? A 4341? A 4331? Something else? Do you remember approximately what year the HG system was installed? What role did the Computing Center play with the HG system? Did it maintain MTS? Anything else? -Jeff On May 9, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Steve Burling wrote: My memory on all this is very vague. I think it was a 4341, but hell if I
can remember the dates. I think I consulted with them a few times, but
don't remember being actively involved in the maintenance of their
system. I can't find anything in my email archives where I communicated
with the guy at HG (Paul Kopec) about anything MTS related. -- Steve On May 9, 2019, at 12:33 PM, Thomas Valerio wrote: I might be able to dig through some archive/update files of the UMPS account to get some answers regarding the HG system. Also Jim Bodwin may recall some of the details of the HG system. -- Tom/ On May 9, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Jim Bodwin wrote: I can confirm that it was a 4341 but I don't remember the dates. It was around the same time as the switch to the 3090. I thought that there was a note in the CC newsletter shortly after it was installed. I found a reference to it in the index for Volume 2 (4:16) (which would be 1986, I think) but I could not find the actual newsletter issue online. We managed the system - all software updates, reboots, etc. I do remember that MTS didn't have a way to change to/from daylight savings time without a reboot. I went over once on the Monday after the DST switch to reboot it and discovered that it hadn't been rebooted since the previous DST switch. I think that it was still running when I left in 1989. - Jim On May 9, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Jim Bodwin wrote: Here it is: https://books.google.com/books?id=im4qAAAAMAAJ&pg=PP93&dq=computing+center+newsletter+human+genetics&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWm7_JqY_iAhUROn0KHRnUAswQ6AEIOzAD#v=onepage&q=human%20genetics&f=false On May 9, 2019, at 6:32 PM, Mike Alexander wrote: As I mentioned to Jeff in another message, I have an EMail archive of 367 messages related to HG. I sent this to Jeff, I can send it to anyone else who wants it. Here is a relevant message: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 86 16:01:46 EDT From: Thomas.D.Berry@um.cc.umich.edu Subject: Machine configuration To: Andy.Goodrich@um.cc.umich.edu I have a tentative hardware configuration for the IBM 4361 along with a tentative budget. I would greatly appreciate an evaluation by you and your to make sure we are in the right ball park. We are pushing our budget a little depending on the final discount from IBM. We were given a 44% discount on the first try but it might not be as great this time due to the exclusion of the operating system. One item that is not included but should be considered is the Resource Manager. Steve Peterson from Simon Fraser would be glad to help us get it going and we could include some money for his assistance. I believe he estimated 3 weeks time. It is my understanding that we could live with HASP for a while under the proposed configuration if we are willing to sacrifice .24 gb disk space for a spooler (ugh!). Depending on the estimated implementation for the RM at the CC I believe I would rather wait and be running the same version of MTS as the Center. Here is the configuration/budget: 44% Monthly Description List Price discount Maint. 4361-MDL4 (16mb mem) $242,200.00 $135,632.00 $854.00 1422 Blk Mpx $3,340.00 $1,870.40 $3.00 1431 high spd BLKMPX $4,760.00 $2,665.60 $3.00 3205 Color console $2,895.00 $1,621.20 $24.75 3880-3 controller $60,270.00 $33,751.20 $176.00 3380-AD4 2.5 gb Disk $88,780.00 $49,716.80 $295.00 3430 Tape & cntrl $33,400.00 $18,704.00 $251.00 3430 Tape drive $16,900.00 $9,464.00 $176.00 4245 Line printer $28,000.00 $15,680.00 $300.00 3262 Alarm $201.00 $112.56 IBM Hardware $480,746.00 $269,217.76 $2,082.75 4654 Acrith sub lib $6,000.00 $3,600.00 5748 FORTRAN comp $558.00 $334.80 $186.00 5799 Elem Math Lib $300.00 $180.00 5796 PASCAL comp $5,670.00 $3,402.00 IBM software $12,528.00 $7,516.80 $186.00 IBM Total $276,734.56 $2,268.75 ORACLE RDBMS $5,400.00 $975.00 SQL $1,080.00 SQLT $1,080.00 SQL Link $1,080.00 Protocol $720.00 ORACLE - for 10 AT's $3,200.00 $266.67 ORACLE - installation $3,000.00 ORACLE - support $11,700.00 SUMMARY IBM Hardware $269,217.76 $2,082.75 IBM Software $7,516.80 $186.00 PCP $26,000.00 ORACLE $27,260.00 $1,241.67 MIDAS $1,200.00 Room modifications $3,000.00 CC support $20,000.00 $1,500.00 TOTAL $354,194.56 $5,010.42 Yearly maint $60,125.00 A few things are not obvious from the budget so let me reiterate them here. Processor - IBM 4361 mdl4 16 mb memory floating point processor 8 mb cahe memory 2 block MPX channels 1 high speed BMPX channel Any questions, let me know. Thanks, Dinny I also have a long message from Jim critiquing this configuration and suggesting alternatives. I didn’t yet find one giving the final configuration they got, but it’s probably in there somewhere. My EMail archive from that period is fairly complete. Mike And from Mike Alexander's e-mail archive: Date: Fri, 7 Feb 86 11:28:34 EDT From: Thomas.D.Berry@um.cc.umich.edu Subject: Human Genetics To: Jeff.Ogden@um.cc.umich.edu At the Department of Human Genetics we are in the process of replacing our PDP 11/70 computing system. We are considering either an IBM 4361 model 4 running VM/SP or a VAX 11/785 running VMS 4.2. Because this facility will be supporting researchers from different parts of the country (and different countries for that matter) we would like to do everything possible to ensure the best possible link to the network. We presently have two SCP's (11/23) which we are using to connect the PDP 11/70 and VAX 11/750 to the network as async hosts. I have worked out the details the VAX 11/785 connection but I am unclear as to the options for connecting the IBM 4361. At a recent IBM presentation Kathy Edwards mentioned that you were working with the University Libraries to connect their IBM to the network. We would be in a position to consider the purchase of a PCP if that would increase the ease and/or functionality of our connection. Thanks for your help Dennis Berry |
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